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We, the Homoeopaths may discuss about our Percentage ( % ) of success in our day to day practice. And also we give the methods that we follow.

I follow Dr.M.L .Seghel"s R.O.H Method. Success rate is 70 % to 80 %

 

1. What is your definition of success?

2. How do you measure this outcome?

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You are right.I believe.

Regards.

sajjad.

I am very much interested in seghel's method.Please post cases.

Regards.

sajjad.

With pleasure Sir, Soon.
My friends have sent so many cases to Sehgal's brothers but there is no success. They are always busy in seminars.Practically,how they are busy? very difficult to say about his practice & success rate also.....
True Dr. Sarswat.

I do agree with Dr. Saraswat ji and Dr. Dasgupta ji.

One allopath may be expert in a particular field and another in other. But every Homoeopath must be expert only one field, and that is HOW TO FIND THE SIMILIMUM. That is more than enough for his success.

Any Homoeopath with more than 50% success rate is, in my opinion, is sufficiently efficient to promote Homoeopathy.

One Homoeopath may be highly popular in his area, with longest waitings at his doors, but the slightly distant areas may be ignorant of his name.

Another Homoeopath may be busy with worldwide patients but having no waitings at doors, may be seen free to the nearhoods.

Who is more successful???

Dear Saraswath Sir,
I don't know about Segal's brothers' success, and how they are busy?
But it is fact that R.O.H works wonderfully, We, a set of homoeopaths in my State have so many clinical success story to prove.
Thank you.
dear Dr. Veeraraghavan
Kindly share the R.O.H. method . We do not know this thing...
Thanks..

R.O.H Method 

           Dr.M.L.Sehgal and his genuine work known as “Sehgal method” has become
an icon in the homoeopathic world. Dr.Sehgal had a passion for doing
things with perfection. Initially he was attracted towards homoeopathy
after he had seen some good results in cases treated by a homoeopath.
He became curious after seeing the amazing work of small pills. He
started studying it as a hobby. Later it became his passion.. He had
started treating family members and close friend to gain practical
experience. He used to discuss his cases with reputed homoeopathic
doctors of his time. Though he was getting miraculous results but was
also failing in many cases. He had a feeling that somewhere something
is lacking.

Why it is so that in some cases we get wonderful results and in other
we fail miserably? Why it is that we are not able to apply hearing law
in each and every case. ? He thought that if it is a law it has to be
applicable in each and every case, like the law of gravity.

Why patient feels hesitant to approach in homoeopathy straight away
after knowing his problem? He started studying further in search of
some more vital clues. He looked into journals, encyclopedias and
other available literature.

Incidentally while treating a boy of 10 for high fever on alternate
days. Dr.Sehgal observed that child liked to remain in bed, not
complaining about anything, and on asking how is he? , boy replied,
“He is well.” Dr. Sehgal used to read and apply some rubrics from the
mind section of Kent’s repertory. He had no clue how to use these
common, usual symptoms like – desire to remain in bed, not
complaining, saying well he is even when sick, He had prescribed
Hell., opium., and Stram. the remedies for painlessness of complaint
but no medicine worked on him.

Then he had a fresh look at the case and on the basis of the following rubrics:
INDIFFERENCE, complain does not WELL, says he is when very sick BED,
desire, to remain in Hyos became the indicated remedy, which was
administered in 30th potency with astonishing results. The boy
recovered with a week after getting 2-3 milder attacks. He passed
loose stool at the end of the final attack. The recurrence of the
fever stopped thereafter.

That was the turning point in his practice. Encouraged by the above
result he started observing such symptoms which seems to be common,
ordinary and usual symptoms representing the mental state of the
patient during the sickness. He also started understanding the
meaning, interpretation and applicability of mind rubrics.

According to Dr.Sehgal a patient knowingly or unknowingly can speak
anything related to his / her problem. He / she could start telling
what could be the uppermost in his mind. Like he / she straight away
start telling a physician about pain, loss of sleep, loss of appetite,
or about social problem / business / work / domestic life / married
life etc. He / She will express in a plain way. We have to observe,
“What he says How he says, Why he says, and When he says.”

Let us take an example. We often come across this common question from
patients, “How long will the treatment last?” This question has
annoyed us sometime or the other in the beginning of our practice.
Some patients put this question on the very first day others put it
after they have received treatment for sometime. What a silly
question? How on earth can a patient expect his physician and
specially a homoeopath to tell him how long will his treatment last.
They come to us with the feeling that homoeopathy is an eradicative
therapy and can cure but still worry about the time it will take for
the complete cure.

Later on as we went on practicing this system more and more we tried
to really understand our patients. First thing we tried to understand
was that these common remarks are coming from a layman who has no
knowledge about medicine. Secondly, when a patient is asking a
physician about the duration of his treatment there must be some kind
of doubt / confusion / fear / anxiety etc in his / her mind.

Instead of getting annoyed with his question, we try to understand his
concern behind this question, how long does the patient have to take
the treatment – might not be an important question for a physician but
it could be very important for the patient. Somewhere in his mind some
sort of doubt / fear / anxiety etc are bothering him more than the
pain, difficulties, desires, aversions caused by his problem.

Some of the common expressions I got from my patients are:
1) With great annoyance in his voice a patient says, “Already so much
time has been wasted. I have tried allopathic, homoeopathic even
ayurvedic treatment but from no where have I got any relief. I doubt
if you would be able to do anything” DOUBTFUL, of recovery
2) Patient says, “I have already spent so much time and money on the
treatment. I am worried about how much more I will have to spend on
it. FEAR, extravagance of
3) Patient says, “I am concerned about it because if it doesn’t get
cured soon then it might lead to some bigger problem in the future.”
ANXIETY, future about
4) Patient says, “If I know when I would get better then I could
organize things in my life and plan accordingly for the future. LIGHT,
desires for
5) Patient says, “I always have a fear in my mind that things may go
out of hand in case they are not treated properly and timely then it
will be too late and no other option would left for me.” FEAR,
betrayed of being
6) The same question is asked by a patient after sometime has passed
in the treatment. He says something likes, “It’s been many days; I
feel it should end now, it become boring.” ENNUI
7) He adds, “I want to discontinue your treatment at once.” He has
enough of it and is now averse to any more treatment.” DISGUST

Similarly in other situation when a patient asks the doctor, “I am not
getting any relief. Should I go for X- ray, ultra sound or blood test?
I may have some serious problem like cancer.” There will be patients
who just before the case taking make an inquiry “Do homeopathy
medicine aggravates the disease?” I have heard this about homeopathic
medicine like that it first aggravate the disease. It may be good but
I am scared of it, so please do not give me medicines which can cause
aggravation. There are some patients who require a guarantee, which a
physician can not give and then that makes them hesitant towards
homeopathic treatment.

These are the PRESENT, PREDOMINATING, and PERSISITNG mental states of
the patient. Every word of the patient is to be weighed, evaluated and
interpreted in the language of rubrics and then out of them the
present, predominating, and persisting are to be sorted out to make a
basis for prescription.

So instead of explaining the meaning of the rubrics Dr. Sehgal
preferred to convert
the expressions of the patients into the rubrics as they appear in
Kent’s repertory

For example
Take the case of a house maid, she was separated from her husband and
had two children totally dependent upon her. After getting frequent
attacks of malaria, she became depressed. She had high fever and she
was worried that she couldn’t afford to fall sick so often, as no body
will pay her for the period of her absence from work. She wept at her
helplessness.
WEEPING, sad thoughts HELPLESSNESS It led to the medicine Stram. 30
was prescribed. The lady was out of the grip of the fever within a few
days.

A girl of 19 used to have attacks of urticaria with high fever. She
was hospitalized twice for the severity of the attacks with grave
prognosis. The doctors feared that attacks of severe intensity at
short intervals could endanger her life. She said, “I was expecting
the attacks anytime and I did not like to attend college because of
unwarranted remarks from my classmates. She further said that she was
averse to any kind of work except sweeping the floor. She reserved
this job for herself for the fear of infection. She could not rely
upon other do it as well. Desire for amusement was also present in
her.

FEAR, infection of AMUSEMENT, desires for Lach 30 was prescribed to
her. This time attack came with lesser intensity and for smaller
duration and then it never came again.
What is revolutionized method, and why is it named so?

A ) What is the change ?
Simply put, it is emphasizing on mind symptoms and prescribing only
according to them. Classical method also agrees that if we have
dependable mental symptoms we can ignore the physical ones. According
to them, the mental symptoms are not to be found in every patient. It
is at this point that revolutionized method differs from it in the
concept. It observes that no individual at any given time is without
any mental state. If a person requires medicine, that is, if he is
sick, it is not necessary that he must be angry or weepy or anxious.
He may be a normally behaving person covered by the rubrics like
cheerfulness, ecstasy, exhilaration etc. Here we will take up one of
Dr.M.L.Sehgal’s case of a priest (religious head) who ran a big ashram
in London. He was suffering from allergic asthma. My brother wrote to
me that he is a devote of an ashram and wants his priest to be treated
by me, because the priest finds a lot of difficulty in his meditation
and in conducting havan (a ritual in Hindu religion performed around
the fire through offerings of butter, oil, grains and perfumes, to
various Gods and Goddesses). I told my brother, let your priest write
to me in his own hand in a simple way and then contact me on the phone
after a few days for a few minutes to me. Priest wrote his case
history giving all the symptoms of allergic asthma. He wrote,
“Although I am quite indifferent towards feelings of love or hate,
since I have renounced everything in this world, I still feel a little
uneasy when I find obstruction in the performance of my religious
duties.”


I asked him only one question “Does the obstruction cause any effect
on your state of mind and force you to abandon your routine work,
rituals, prayers etc?” He said, “Now I have come to accept it as a
reality, which perhaps I have to live with, and I don’t allow anything
to obstruct me in the performance of my religious rites.

On the following rubrics:
1) RECOGNISE, everything , but cannot move Original rubric in
Repertory (RECOGNISES, everything, but cannot move, recognize
(catalepsy).
2) INDIFFERENT, lies with eyes closed
Cocc. Ind. 30 was prescribed in three small doses, to be taken after
15 minutes interval. It is now been about a decade since the priest
had not had anymore attacks of asthma. The priest was so grateful that
he propagated the news of his recovery among his followers spread all
over the city of London.
What I want to emphasize through this example is that it is the
present mental state, in whatever form and style it may be present
which is important and need be given attention. B) How to select a
remedy?

Since the mind is a vast field, for the purpose of selecting a remedy
we must select from the present mental state, persistent and
predominant symptoms, which I call signals. C) What is the meaning of
P.P.P.? What persists is that which is trying to settle permanently,
what predominates is that which is the uppermost and all powerful. In
other words it does not allow other symptoms to raise their heads. In
the case of priest, at times there may have been many thoughts in his
mind about his sickness yet one final thought, of identifying and
accepting the reality, was predominant. Let me tell you here that this
phenomenon has a scientific background. It is the powerful that
prevails, in the criteria of so called infection. If a person is
already suffering from a powerful infection no infection weaker than
that, like a seasonal fever etc. can have any effect on him. In other
words if he is suffering from a disease which is less powerful than
another infection which invades his body later, the former will get
subdued and the later will predominate and will require to be treated
first. And only when the system is cleared of the powerful infection
the weaker of the two infections will present it and demand treatment.

D) Case taking and implementing P.P.P.
For selecting a remedy, treat a patient like a computer in human frame
that emits signals in the form of speech and action, which when
combine, form expressions. Convert these expressions into the language
of rubrics as listed in the repertory, in the mind section. In other
words it is decoding and deciphering the signals of mind in a
mechanical way. It is as if the data has been pre- fed by whatever
order or disorder is going on in the body and the computer is throwing
this data on the surface. Why I call it ‘mechanical’ is to guard you
against becoming emotional at the time of case taking. The patient may
abuse or misbehave with you in the worst manner but you must remain
detached and then react to his behavior. Your relation is exactly like
the one between a meter and a meter reader. The job of the meter
reader is to concentrate, and try his best to read the meter
accurately remaining objective all the time.

E ) When not to prescribe?
I am of the opinion that before a doctor examines a patient he should
check whether he himself is fit to do the job well. As in judicial
norms, it is well known that a judge should make judgments only when
he is in a normal mood, i.e. only when he is in a balanced state of
mind. In the same way a doctor should also be in a normal frame of
mind when he prescribes medicine. We have many rubrics like:

1) GROPING, as if in the dark
2) CAPRICIOUSNESS 3) CONFUSION 4) CALCULATING , inability for
If the physician is himself under the influence of any of these mind
rubrics, he should not expect himself to be capable of selecting the
right medicine. The right course for him in such a situation will
depend upon the type of patient he is dealing with. If you feel that
the patient is co-operative, you can tell him the truth that you are
not in the right frame of mind at that moment, requesting him to come
on the next day or at any other suitable time.

You will win his respect. He will be assured that he is in proper
hands. The second course is to send the patient back with placebo i.e.
blank pills, with the instruction to report on the next day so that
you have the time to study his case with a clear and stable mind. The
third option is for the patient, who is in a relatively serious
condition. If the patient really cannot wait you can request him to
consult someone else following these three norms will never let you
down in your practice. So while you have to be mechanical in your
approach you also have to use your intelligence to understand the
symptoms of the patient accurately. To conclude, the main criteria is
to arrive at the indicated remedy with the help of the tenets of the
present, predominating and persisting symptoms without any bias or
prejudice, that is without considering its grade as given in the
repertory, ignoring things like whether the remedy is short, or deep
acting and whether it covers any miasm.

According to the experience of Dr.Sehgal, if the selection of the
medicine is correct, it must act in two ways:
1) First action
2) Second action The first action is instant relief in any kind of
physical and mental pain or discomfort. The second action is the
reversal of the original complaints. The relief under the first action
may last for only a few seconds, minutes, hours or days and it is
sometimes here that we are required to be very careful, because it is
the first action that gives the indication whether the remedy
prescribed is right. If the indication of the first action is missed
it might happen that the effects of second action mistaken for the
signs of the first mislead you into changing the medicine or raising
its potency. As a result the case might take a wrong direction from
the very beginning. The second action is quite opposite to the first
one because the ailments, on the basis of which the medicine was
prescribed, come back. Here you have to think whether the return of
the complaint is due to the advancement of the disease or it is the
curative action of the medicine – as part of the total curative
process. To verify this, first of find out what happened to the
symptoms of mind on which the medicine was prescribed. For example
earlier at the commencement of the treatment your patient had in his
psyche one of the rubrics IRRITABILITY pain, during. You should
investigate whether there is now any change in his present state of
mind. Usually, under the second action the patient says he has no
relief. Do not take him on his word. You have to remind him, “Last
time when you came to me you were weeping and were very annoyed. Today
you don’t seem to be so. Likewise on your previous visit you were not
walking as easily as on you are now. ” The discipline followed by the
second action. Its duration: The second action follows a fixed
discipline. It lasts for a fixed period of an odd number of days,
usually 3.The middle day is the peak day.

Discharging of the toxic matter: The other thing that is expected from
the process of second action is the discharge that may take place from
any of the five natural outlets – nose, mouth, anus, urethra and skin.
This means if the deposit of the toxins is in the head, the nose is
its natural outlet. If it is in the liver or in the respiratory system
or stomach its exit is mouth, if the toxin is in the intestine it gets
discharged through the anus, if it is in the urinary tract it finds an
outlet through the penis and if under the skin it comes out in the
form of some sort of skin eruption. In revolutionized method we need
to identify drugs as individuals, especially in those cases where
three Ps have many drugs. For example the rubric LIGHT, desires for,
has many drugs placed under it and unless we know their distinguishing
features it is difficult to identify the medicine indicated. Obviously
it makes the selection quick, easy, and sure. In actual practice we
have three ways of selecting a remedy:

 Translating three P.P.P. expressions of a patient into the rubricsØ
 Comparing remedies placed under a common rubric, with eachØof mind.
other as stated
above.
 Observing a patient as an individual independent and free from any connectionØ
with other drugs keeping in view his established and unchangeable disposition.
We have no hesitation or doubt in saying that no one would ever come
so close to the genius interpretation that Dr. Sehgal has given us.
For example: DELIRIUM, fear of men, with What is the fear here?

It is a feeling of discomfort experienced at the thought of something
harmful or dangerous. Of : This is the source. In this case that
source is men and not women. Men: This word denotes strength, power.

So this patient fears from anything which has the power to hurt or
harm him. For example it could be the fear of sticks, punishment, or
muscles. So this rubric has qualified the situation of fear. And it is
the source of the fear that is more important here. It may be the
story of a man working in an office where his colleagues are
cooperative but he does not share their view and has a constant fear
of them. If he shares their activities then there is an ultimate fear
of the law and if he does not then he fears they may harm him and
therefore he has an inclination to escape.

Another example:
DELIRIUM, terror expressive
Delirium is a state of mind which shows derailment, derangement, or
being off track. The person is in his senses but the tone and style of
expression is exaggerated which stress and indicates abnormality of
the mind. Terror:
It is something that has the power to frighten the mind very badly.
Expressive: Coming out of internal feelings to the surface. Through
gestures and speech, revealing the inside of one’s mind.

So after getting a slightest jerk under the influence of fright, the
patient according to this rubric go into a state of delirium, showing
a great disturbance in the functioning of his mind.

Another example:
SITS, and break pins
Sits: Sitting is a position which falls between the position of rest
(free from any worry) and walking (being in motion). This rubric
denotes a person’s helplessness where he is compelled to give up
working. He is like a defeated solder finding him in effective in the
present struggle for existence. But there is a protest that is going
on in his mind. This protest finds an outlet by avenging itself on
things which are inanimate, lifeless, and cannot offer resistance.
Breaks: Divided into pieces by applying force accompanied by the
desire to destroy things.
Pins : Things that bind different things together , which arrange
union for promoting peace even among opposing forces. The other
meaning is to plug one’s teeth hard on to something and to grind it,
because the person can find no other way to emit the venom from his
mind. Here we can say that the person is refusing to be consoled and
is trying to kill the one who is consoling him and says, “the wearer
knows where the shoe pinches”.

Frequently asked question
There is a question frequently asked about the word REVOLUTION. What
is new in applying mind symptoms? For some, it is an old concept which
they have always used in their practice. Please understand the word
Revolution. It does not denote any kind of revolt against any existing
literature that our Masters have given to us. There are many
practitioners who were / are using mind symptoms along with physical
symptoms in their cases. Dr. Sehgal has mentioned in his book No. VII
, page no. 14 , that we simply read the dial ( mental state ) which
indicates the medicine. But while assessing the progress of healing
process we should also consider the anatomy, physiology, pathology and
the latest upper most mental state. This is because diagnostic
investigations, especially those relating to the vital organs which
are not visible i.e. of the lungs, liver, kidney, heart etc. require
such data to properly assess the action of the medicine. Sometimes it
has been observed that in spite of the best overall progress, the
particular diseased organ shows no improvement. For example there was
a case of a lady who had the problem of twitching eyelids. The lady
regained her overall efficiency, her sleep become normal her appetite
and routine elimination became normal and regular but the problem for
which she had come to me in the first place remained for a long time.
It means that the medicine was acting only partially and not covering
the whole.
according to Dr. Sehgal, two main functions, namely, Assimilation and

Elimination are continuously and automatically taking place in the
body. If this routine is disturbed then, apart from producing
physicals, it has a corresponding influence on the mind in the form of
feelings. These feelings result in some sort of reflections in the
form of speech and/or action(s). Dr. Sehgal discovered that these
spoken words and action(s) are the key symptoms that are to be applied
to rubrics and the physicals can be ignored.  

For further reference please read the book ‘Rediscovery of Homeopathy’

Volumes I to VIII

I cannot disagree. This method is useful.The art is the accurate conversion of patient's words into mind rubrics of the repertory.
Regards.
Sajjad.

Thank you so much of this!

I do agree the miracle of homeopathy - every day is a new day of learning.

regards Helena

Thank you for sha

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